Bush Explains Medicare Drug Bill - OT

2007-01-31 17:32:30

Dear Group,
I know that we're not supposed to discuss politics in this Group, but the
following just crossed my in-basket:
Bush Explains Medicare Drug Bill
-- Verbatim Quote
Submitted on 2005-12-13 16:35:14
WOMAN IN AUDIENCE: "I don't really understand. How is the new plan going to
fix the problem?"
Verbatim response ~ PRESIDENT BUSH:
" Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost
drivers. For example, how benefits are calculated, for example, is on the
table. Whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price
increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being
considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers,
affecting those -- changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to
get what has been promised more likely to be -- or closer delivered to that
has been promised. Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of muddled.
Look, there's a series of things that cause the -- like, for example,
benefits are calculated based upon the increase of wages, as opposed to the
increase of prices. Some have suggested that we calculate -- the benefits
will rise based upon inflation, supposed to wage increases. There is a
reform that would help solve the red if that were put into effect. In other
words, how fast benefits grow, how fast the promised benefits grow, if
those -- if that growth is affected, it will help on the red."
Forward this to others -- so they, too, can understand...

OT: NSAID

2007-01-31 17:09:02

I have used Relafen for the last few years and have found it effective, with
relatively few side effects. I just use it once a day or once every second day
since I am sensitive to medications, but right now I'm in a flare and want to
use an anti-inflammatory for a while, but one of the NSAIDS that is easier on
the stomach. Unfortunately, my pharmacist said that Relafen is no longer made.
I have tried the generic, Nabutemone, several times, but have found side
effects, including extreme fatigue and possibly some lightheadedness. Does
anyone know of another good NSAID that is not too hard on the stomach and causes
few side-effects? I don't want to use a cox 2-inhibitor.
Thanks,
Linda

Re: OT Cartels & Vitamins

2007-01-31 12:15:58

Yep, that was short alright... a bit too short.
http://tinyurl.com/ne2k9
Geoff

Enbrel/Humira and rheum.

2007-01-31 08:48:50

Don't remember if I wrote this before or not.
During last visit with a rheum. he asked me about taking one of these drugs. I
told him I would not take them. He turned toward me and said "Then why are you
seeing me?". And, BTW, when I asked him for pain med. he said he didn't do
that. I would need to see my primary.
Now, I went to him because the new doctor who replaced the one I had had did not
want to touch the RA.
Four years later I returned to the primary and told him my experience and asked
him for a referral to a physician who could treat me. Between being a Duke
graduate and the ensuing four years of experience, he decided he could handle
the situation(with my guidance, of course). LOL
Denise
Pray the Rosary

re: cellulitis

2007-01-31 00:31:25

I have RA. In 1996, I had cellulitis just above my left ankle. I could see the
red line moving up my leg by the hour.
In Dec. 2003, I dropped my Microsoft Optical rat on my left foot. I developed a
very deep ulcer with cellulitis. After many different antibiotics, I got that
cleared. I still have the ulcer:-((
Cellulitis is nothing to ignore, quite serious.
Denise
Pray the Rosary

re: Medicare D

2007-01-30 17:06:17

The "donut hole" is what caused all the uproar. Many organizations recommended
against signing up.
This bill was written for the pharmaceutical companies as a result of lobbying.
My understanding is that once you opt in to a program, the price for drugs can
be increased at any time and too bad for you.
I mean a program that is "suppose" to help you and you are penalized if you
didn't sign up by a certain date, to the benefit of...BigPharma.
Denise
Pray the Rosary

2007-01-30 10:04:32

RE: DM

2007-01-30 07:06:02

Celia - I have DM and I am in remission, first time around I used
minocycline 200mg MWF, achieved remission and then relapsed after my 3rd
child was born, at that time I went on 250mg erythromycin 2x daily - so I
could continue breastfeeding. I again achieved remission.
Go to www.rheumaticsupport.net
Www.roadback.org
See the medical histories on www.rheumatic.org
Read the New Arthritis Breakthrough by henry scammell
Also on www.myositissupportgroup.org there are many newbies to AP there -
and many from OH. I used to live in OH (Dayton area, BGSU and Cleveland
area)... Any how - there are a few people there who can help with the doc
issue. There is a good DO - Cynthia Taylor in Parma who uses AP too.
Write anytime! Liesl aka Lee

Bonnie in seattle

2007-01-30 02:58:28

Hi Bonnie,
I missed some of this discussion. What is this product used for? Thanks! e

cellulitis

2007-01-29 12:11:21

Each time I was on pred. First time 5mg. and the second alternating days at
3mg. and 2mg. of pred. plus aspirin.
My father had cellulitis back in the 50's. I remember him soaking his foot
when he got home from work. He had no health problems and no one could
figure out why he had the infection.
HTH
Denise
know my brother is taking methotrexate and interferonB and prednisone. I am
wondering if drugs like methotrexate and remicade make one more susceptible
to cellulitis.
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Questions about MSM

2007-01-29 08:25:24

Hi, Susie from Oklahoma. I just started taking 10-12 MSM capsules
daily, plus OXY E-100 (chlorine dioxide precursor for control of
microorganisms in water) and colostrum. Hey, I would like to know if
anyone has taken any of these and what the results were.
A friend of mine has RA and she is doing wonderful after taking all of
this for years. She looks great...feels great and believe it or not,
was told 5 years ago that she would be in a wheelchair. Gosh....my
pain level has been bad again (scleroderma) and I will try anything. I
guess I want to know if I am "reaching for the moon" trying all of
this.

Gloria

2007-01-29 07:51:04

I wanted to add that I never had a staph infection until I had been on pred. for
six months. Although 5 mg. is suppose to be minimal, it has harmed my body in
many ways.
Denise
Pray the Rosary

anti-inflammatories alternatives

2007-01-29 03:00:00

Linda,
You asked a while back what people were using as anti-inflammatories
alternatives
Have you tried Triflora Arthritis gel from Boericke &Tafel? I sometimes add
arnica. You can't use it when you are using the 024 because 024 ani-dotes
the Triflora. I'm pretty sure you could alternate the products, though.
You sent us a link to Celadrin a while back. Did you give it a try? Has
anyone else comments about any of the products mentioned
Take care,
Ute

Re: Need advice! from Carol*

2007-01-28 20:31:22

Ethel wrote:
"I'm sorry to hear about the neck problem you are dealing with now, but
before I submitted to neck surgery, I would investigate prolotherapy. It
just might be your answer providing you can find a qualified practitioner.
You may remember back in 1997, I went to Mexico to be treated with this
therapy by Dr. Milne J Ongley - www.ongleyonline.com. I think he calls it
proliferant therapy."
FWIW, Dr. Ongley began his work w/ proliferant therapy while he was with the
Sansum Clinic in Santa Barbara, CA. That would have been the mid- to
late-eighties. For those now familiar with it, Sansum is considered one of the
best medical clinics in the world.
Geoff
Acts 2:39

Needing Minocin dosage advice!!

2007-01-28 11:34:18

Hello everyone, I have been looking at this website for months now and
have taken your advice on so many things. I am in need of answers now on
my Minocin dosage. I am 39 yrs old and was diagnosed with RA 5 months
ago and have been on the AP for 3months, 14 days of IV drip and then
oral antibiotics. It is time for me to up my dosage to 200mg MWF, but I
have heard some of you say that you have had great results from taking
100mg once a day 5 days a week. I do not know which to do. What do you
think?
Thank you,
Leslie

Access to the Group

2007-01-28 01:29:02

Help Please
I cannot figure out how to get access to all your very intelligent
brains and experience. Wll flattery get me what I want :-)))))
I was a partcipant when this group was first started and back in those
days we simply e-mailed and it was all so very straight foward and
easy.
At present I have my setting on 'daily digest' is that right?
Could someone please explain to me how it works and what I need to do.
Please feel free to e-mail me directly .
Ta muchly...good Kiwi phrase:-)
Huggles
Lisbeth

Re: Peggy: what to ask for at Dr. appt.?

2007-01-27 18:02:10

Hi Esther-
Thanks for the tip on the sacromyces. I take a probiotic with
multiple species, but I will look and see if that is one of them. I
have taken probiotics from the beginning but the fungal issues just
started a year or 2 ago.
For the year I was on the doxy (I took Doryx) I took 100mg/day m-f.
Since I have gone into remission from the arthritis I cut back from
200mg/day everyday. I found doxy to be harder on my stomach than
Mino is. I have no problem with Mino on an empty stomach. Doryx I
have to take with food. I really started having stomach problems
back in March. I think the combo of Doryx and Motrin, coupled with
dysbiosis, did a number on my stomach. I switched back to
minocycline since I can't afford name brand Minocin anymore. I
think I did the best on the Minocin.
Good luck with the move...
peggy

Access to Group

2007-01-27 16:09:05

Ok so I've got my daily digest and don't like that format...is there
any other option?
Lisbeth

Fw: Health Alert-Protect Your Access to Bioidentical Hormones

2007-01-27 10:04:44

Try this link.

Re: what to ask for at Dr. appt.? Debbie...

2007-01-27 02:17:12

If you don't mind sharing...what medications (and supps) does he
have you on? Have you had to make the suggestions or will he? I was
planning on writing everything down for him, and maybe even mailing
him my history etc ahead of time, since office time is precious and
I am travelling to see him.
thanks so much for your input...
peggy

Re: Access to the Group

2007-01-26 19:20:57

Newzie!
You've returned to poke and prod? My how wonderful it is to see your post.
Maybe this means you are getting better? I certainly hope so!

Logging in to Rheumatic messages

2007-01-26 18:53:35

Hey, Lisbeth!!
Great to "see" you again! Look how our Rheumatic Family has grown! I remember
meeting you at Dr. Franco's conference in April of 1998 -- and you were pushing
Janine O in her "Harley" (wheelchair). Last I heard, the AP took hold and
Janine is dancing all the way to her kids' graduations, and probably weddings,
by now! It is so nice to hear from you!
You wondered how to access the group messages. Here's what I do (some people
access them differently....but this works for me :-)

New Member here...possible diagnosis of RA!

2007-01-26 09:10:54

Hello all! My name is Shefy and I MIGHT be diagnosed with RA. About 3
months ago I felt a flutter in my chest and went to the ER, they said
it was a palpitation. Ever since then I've had shortness of breath,
tightness in my chest, and sometimes a sharp pain under my collar
bone when breathing. I've been misdiagnosed with asthma and anxiety
attacks, and finally the doctors ran some blood work to check for RA,
in which several levels were elevated.
While I was trying several medicines over the past 2 months to help I
did do a 5 day course of amoxicilin 500mg 2x/day (thinking it might
be an infection or something). It really did help my chest
tightness...I have my good days and my bad days, today is really
bad.I really don't know much about RA, but now that I'm putting it
all together it might make sense. I can always hear and feel my
joints squeaking, literally. I don't have joint pain (I'm 22 by the
way...), but the right side of my knuckle on my middle finger on my
right hand (sometimes it moved to my wrist) was hurting for almost 2
years.
I'm of course scared and looking for more information and expereinces
from all of you. I hope to give and gain knowledge from you all :)
Thanks much,
Shefy

Raspberries, Cherries, Oh My!

2007-01-25 23:14:34

Has anyone heard of raspberries providing relief from rheumatic-type
inflammatory disease. What about cherries? Has it been helpful?
DB

lisbeths message kiwi reunion?

2007-01-25 17:46:45

After a long absence from the Rheumatic group and feeling the need for
a bit of a refresher in AP I decided to sign up again today.We are in
the US for a couple of months from New Zealand visiting family in
Oregon. Howard and I reread some of the AP stories then I negotiated

Re: Please remove my name & e-mail address from this site.

2007-01-25 10:10:56

To all, since this site is taking up more time than I have to give, I will
unsubscribe. I thank you for the invitation to join, but l just can't get
anything else done. Good luck to all, Thank you, Dolores
mike rosner <martysfolks2004@...
clearing that up as I was confused as to who was who and why someone would ask
about a scammer. Now I understand. Thank you. I got e-mails from other people
telling me that you are a wonderful person and have been on the site a long
time. Hope you are getting better. I was diagnosed last year with R/A & S/D. but
was sick much longer than that. Have been on Mincin sice December and most of my
symptons seemed to reverse rather quickly at first. Now things are slowing down,
but not going backwards. I got spoiled thinking these were easy diseases to get
rid of, but I see they are not and it takes a lot of perseverence and patience.
Since I have no other choices at this time, I am staying on the A/P till
something better hopefully comes along. Again thank you. Dolores.
Esther Warkov wrote: No, I am not a doctor, nor associated with a charitable
organization.
Here's what happened. One of the people on this site asked me a lot
of questions about my health and volunteered to give me a supplements
survey. I told the person what I was taking and that I incidentally
got the doctor's discount on products (owing to one of my student's
generosity, as I am not a doctor). This person never replied again,
and I concluded that perhaps he/she wanted to sell me some products
associated with their survey. it raised a red flag. . . . .
Sometimes I've seen people trying to promote something in a very
subtle way, and I also read that the management of this site removed
people from the list when they appeared to be scamming.
I have benefited from this list enormously and appreciate the advice
everyone gives.

Dolores

2007-01-25 07:41:19

Hi Dolores,
I wouldn't go that far, but thanks for the complimen! You actually
encouraged me to re-start the minocin, which I'm doing at the dosage
of 33 mg every other day (I divide the capsule in 3). Thanks, ew

cherries

2007-01-25 02:00:27

I have read information about cherries helping. Vitamin Shoppe has capsules.
There is also concentrated cherry liquid.
I read that our "wonderful" government was going after this "alternative"
treatment.
Denise
www.Jmichaelstyle.com
Pray the Rosary

janielamoore's knee

2007-01-24 22:15:23

Hi Janiel,
I also experienced a knee situation like you described. It is very
limiting, and constantly painful. I had a meniscus surgery in 1994
and 2005. The first time, the pain improved after surgery. The
second time, the same doctor performed the surgery, but there was no
improvement, even though all the structures were fine (no osteo
arthritis). I think it would be important for you to know about the
procedure he did at the time, called a synovial biopsy. This showed
intense and chronic inflammation which led to the diagnosis of
"inflammatory arthritis." My knee was full of fluid of 16 months
until 5 weeks ago, when it suddenly improved. The surgeon was really
impressed by the change in the knee when I saw him recently for a
sprained ankle.
Before the surgery, I had the knee drained in the office under a
local anesthesia. My surgeon did that and sent it to the lab for
analysis. This gives clues about the kind of inflammatory disease you
might have. Apparently, synovial fluid is a valuable for looking at
mycoplasma infection and other things, according to the head of
Clongen lab. He described even a drop of this fluid as "gold" in
terms of diagnostic possibilities. So if you think you are going to
have your knee drained, I'd consider talking with him about how to
send some fluid to his lab. Just Google Clongen.
I tried plaquenil for at least 3 months, a cortisone shot, NSAIDS,
etc without any real improvement. My dr. wanted all the big guns, I
was unwilling. Last Oct I started minocin--very low dose-- plus a
ton of other natural things. My knee suddenly improved 5 weeks ago,
although my fingers and toes haven't yet. I still can't believe that
the gnawing and constant pain is gone--I'm going to enjoy it while it
lasts. . . . . e

Info Request

2007-01-24 21:33:33

Hi Gang! Geoff here.
I'm looking into a new treatment and am frankly a bit over my head. I am hoping
that some of our more scientifically gifted members can help me out here. There
is an OTC product named PCA-Rx made by an outfit called Maxam. It is supposedly
useful as a progressive oral chelator removing heavy metals based on their
valence AND effective against various mycoplasma. In my case that could mean
not only that it might help me, but could be of some use to my autistic child.
Here is a link to the ingredients: http://tinyurl.com/mmyxv. Any comments about
how they might or work, should not be useful, or could be harmful would be
greatly appreciated.
Geoff

Leaky gut

2007-01-24 04:49:09

Who's tried what successfully?
Am I correct in thinking that treatment is contradictory for anyone with
diverticular disease and diverticulitus?
Geoff??????
Why is nothing ever straight forward !! :-))
Huggles,
Lisbeth

Electrosmog

2007-01-24 04:32:18

Electrosmog
In a controversial analysis, scientist Alasdair Philips argues that
many everyday gadgets are filling our homes with electromagnetic
fields and doing untold damage to us all.
There is a sinister side to the relentless winking lights, hum and
high-tech glamour of the machines that have become such an essential
part of our 21st-century lifestyle.
For those much-loved electronic appliances see not only that we are
well looked after, but also that we are surrounded by a potent sea of
electromagnetic fields (EMFs), a kind of 'electrosmog' that swirls
invisibly around and through us every day.
This does not come just from domestic appliances, but also power
lines, the wiring in our home, and telephone, mast and radio signals -
and I believe it is getting more aggressive, more dangerous and
harder to avoid every day. In fact, our exposure to electrosmog - the
fields of force associated with electric charges in motion - has
risen to a point where we are now experiencing levels that are
millions of times higher than those encountered by anyone living at
the start of the 20th century.
As a result, all of us have become guinea pigs in a great
electromagnetic experiment that I believe is the cause of much of our
daily stress, and may also be responsible for serious health problems
for you and your family.
ALASDAIR PHILIPS, Daily Mail 12th June 2006
for more information email info@...
You can protect your family against electromagnetic radiation from
mobile phones and computers.
For more information contact Caroline at
caroline@...

Arthritis free for life, This is just AMAZING.

2007-01-23 21:28:41

Arthritis free for life, This is just AMAZING.
http://tinyurl.com/hyn9n

New Member Introduction

2007-01-23 18:27:38

I am new to the group and would like to let you know what I am
experiencing right now. I was diagnosed with Lupus about 11 years ago
this month. Since then my doctors have also treated me for RA,
Diabetes, Polymyositis, Fibromyalgia, Inflamatory Bowel Disease,
Relapsing Chondritis, and Scleroderma.
As you all know battling disease makes life is anything but normal, I
have to follow a strict diet in order not have diarrhea all the time.
My esophagus is very damaged from the meds and disease. I also have
great difficulty with the arthritis and muscle weakness.
I would like to also mention that I suffer from valvular heart disease
and asthma type problems.
I understand that I probably am better off than most people but would
like to talk to people who understand what I am going through. And can
share their experiences and wisdom.
Thank you for listening.

Re: Experienced AP doctor in South Carolina or Georgia

2007-01-23 09:33:49

Shirley, I don't know who is in trouble. He didn't say where the
doctor was practicing. North Carolina is all I know. I don't
understand it all yet, but I thought Minocycline was cleared by the
FDA as a treatment for RA.
laura

Re: Portland OR AP doctors

2007-01-23 06:58:40

I see Dr Melchor at Kaisers East Interstate campus in Portland, Oregon. He
only sees Kaiser patients. At first he was reluctant to let me try the AP,
that was in 1998. Last year he told me it is now the first thing he offers.
Denise Jolly
503 307 3407
You can order Avon online now
http://www.youravon.com/djolly

Lymes Disease Stats

2007-01-22 23:04:43

Actually......according to the CDC's just released data for 2005, for most
of the country Lymes disease is still considered relatively uncommon. Over
97% of reported cases are from only 12 states, primarily in the northeast,
with the exception of Minnesota. Montana has never ever had a case
reported. Colorado, only 5 in 15 years. Missouri had only 15 of the reported
23,305 cases in all of the US for 2005, only 0.3 cases per 100,000 people.
Though total actual cases have risen in the 12 states, the per cap. for the
country has actually dropped during the past 15 years. For most of the
country you stand a much greater chance of an exposure to rabies from an
encounter with a non-domesticated animal than an exposure to a tick bearing
the Lymes bacteria. If anything, the numbers are inflated, in large part
because some of the diagnostic tests notoriously unreliable, and (brace
yourselves!!) doctors make mistakes. Unreliable tests lead to erroneous
diagnoses. Better to receive no diagnosis than to receive a bad one,
unwittingly skipping down that primrose path of perceived recovery. Unless
you live in one of the 12 states, Lymes is simply not statistically
significant, and therefore does not warrant concern. Worry more about
getting bit by that rabid bat.
Jeff

lupus RA

2007-01-22 11:39:46

Hello, I'm new to this site.
I'm in my 30's but I feel like I'm in my 80's.
Is anyone here suffering from LUPUS rheumatoid arthritis?
It's just awful, my whole body hurts (all the muscles & joints)
as if I have the flu but without the nausea.
It's hard to function, hard to sleep at night, hard to open containers
or (I just give up) due to (painful swollen stiff puffy hand joints),
hard to get dressed, brush teeth, and hurts to walk, climb stairs, and
etc....symptoms are worse in the evening, just existing hurts.
I've had this flare-up going on 2 1/2 months now. Even with all the
meds. I take I still have a flare-up.
Sick & tried of being sick & tired. Becca in AZ.

Drug Manufacturers And Your Health

2007-01-22 04:33:30

Hi Gang! Geoff here.
In America, we have been indoctrinated in the beliefs that: better living
through modern chemistry is a fact; pharmaceuticals are safe; and the FDA
protects us. Unfortunately, this well-financed propaganda, just like so many
other propaganda campaigns, is less than honest. An incident involving one of
the big pharma cartel is worth noting for your own health and safety (hyperlink
below.) Trust is not properly placed in mankind.
http://tinyurl.com/hjsef
Geoff
Acts 2:39

Re: Questions about a flare

2007-01-22 04:18:03

Sally,
Thanks so much for your support, advice, and sincere concern. You
have beeen a great encouragement to me. I appreciate you! I plan
to take your advice and I'll share with you as my journey continues.
Thanks again girl!
Serena

Feet pain

2007-01-21 21:01:18

Hi all! Feet pain (like broken bone pain) is what took me to the
doctor 5 years ago -- I still have the extreme foot pain -- it is like
the muscles around my ankles and the bridge of my foot feels broken --
has anyone esle had this and if so what did you do about it -- I am
currently on MTX, Minocin, Folic acid, Neurontin, Darvon -- but I would
love to be able to walk comfortable again -- PLEASE HELP!
Hollye

Leaky gut second try :-))

2007-01-21 16:08:38

Hi Lynne,
Again thank you for the info.. both excellent.
Methinks I didn't ask the right question initially or I left it in doubt as to
what exactly I was after. Must come from living at the other end of the world..
it's all upside down here you know:-))
What I would like to know is.....
What have people who have leaky gut tried as far as treatment goes that worked
for them.?
i.e. Personal experience.
Thanks for your help
Huggles
Lisbeth

lupus RA ( Thank you for your replies)

2007-01-21 13:26:00

Hello, Thank you to Hollye, Maggy, Dolores, and Sandra for your replies
to my posting. Thank you for your kind words and encouragement. It's
very nice to feel I'm not alone, thank you.
Can you tell me more about AP therapy?
The medications I am currently taking are: Prednisone, azulfidine,
plaqunil, lodine, methotrexate, leucovorin calcium, vitamin D, sular,
and baby asprin.
Iv'e also recently started to take a multi-vitamin/mineral, citrical,
omega-3, super B complex, and I'm trying Noni juice.
"anything to feel better"
I wish you healthiness, take care, Becca in AZ

Re: Foods &amp; Pain

2007-01-21 05:11:20

Hi Emma! Geoff here.
You wrote:
"...As long as we continue to monitor our conditions and continue with the
management plan that got us into remission what more do you suggest?..."
My points are that the plan itself becomes a snare and that remission is not
cure.
For instance, if one achieves remission through dietary management, yet remains
sensitive to those foods avoided, what do they do when they become sensitive to
the "new foods"? Gut competency is the only way to ensure the diet cascade does
not take place and this is done by: avoiding antagonistic foods; repairing the
physical structure of the gut; repairing the digestive processes of the gut,
i.e., flora, acid and enzymes; exercising the gut after repair and rebuilding
the competency so that the gut can digest what you put it.
Even so, remission only ensure the constant company of a sleeping dragon which
is sometimes stirred and sometimes awakened. The objective is not remission; it
is cure. The strategy is not to put the dragon to sleep, but to kill it.
I have made this mistake myself and strongly advise anyone with an ear to hear
against repeating it.
Geoff
Acts 2:39

Re: Hi, new and don't know where to turn/Chris

2007-01-20 19:47:30

Oh thank you Chris. I am so excited because I am going to see dr.
Katz partner on Monday. He is Dr. Ruhlman and this means if Dr.
Katz knows how to handle this then Dr. Ruhlman can learn from him if
he doesn't know already. This will all be covered on my
insurance!! God is leading me down the right path! I am now very
excited to see my new doc on Monday. His nurse said they are both
very awesome docs.
Katie

Re: RE; effexor

2007-01-20 11:09:37

Well...thanks for the info on Effexor....I started today and I have already had
2 optical migraines (aura's) and honestly.....that is enough for me. I read the
info sent and scared me to death. Any other suggestions?
Susie

labs

2007-01-20 08:49:46

I don't generally post since I've been doing well and didn't have
anything to say, but I just got my last labs back and after testing
positive for RA since 1998, I now test negative. I was lucky and was
diagnoses early and got on AP right off and I have little damage. I've
been pretty much symptom free for a couple of years, my RA factor has
ranged from 1:8 to 1:16. I had been taking minocin MWF twice aday, my
dr wanted to be more proactive so I started taking Clindamycin 1200mg
Tuesday and Thursdays. That was 6 months ago and my factor dropped from
1:8 to negative. I am staying on my current meds to find out if it
stays negative and then I'll have to decide what to do. It's hard to
believe that it could be gone.
Julie

Hi Friends - I am new to the group

2007-01-20 00:01:46

My Name is Maritza and I am 47 years old and I have had a severe external
case of Scleroderma for the past 4 years. My doctors have tired their best with
different treatments one of which was Cytoxin for 6 months which is a chemo
drug that I just got off of. The Cytoxin didn't work it just made me sicker
and more ulcerated.
My blesssing came just a month ago when I went to visit my best friend Suzie
who also has Scleroderma. She has been on Minocycline for a few years and
her skin is soft now.
I am also on a trial called Cellcept which I was on before the Chemo.
When I got back from my visit with Suzie I asked to be put on Minocycline. I
am going into week three. It isn't easy. My skin has alrerady shown slight
softening. But My body isn't used to this new med. I sometimes feel tired,
nausea, feverish, etc...just a mix bag of feelings.
I have been through alot with Scleroderma. I am also a full time college
student. My hands are in real bad shape. Ulcers and curvatures but I think
keeping busy with school helps me alot. I also go to PT/OT twice a week..
Please if anyone can let me know if their bodies felt weird the first few
weeks of Minocycline and how it has helped you with your Scleroderma I would
appreciate it.
Thank you - God Bless
my email address is _atbeach270@..._ (mailto:atbeach270@...)
with gentle thoughts from the beach,
Maritza
Myrtle Beach, SC

Just found out what I have, Its R.A

2007-01-19 22:23:15

Hi, Just found out 2 months ago that I have RA. So far just taking a
pain med for my pain. Will be seeing my pcf for this month to see
about going to a specialist. Hopefully I will find some answers to my
questions.

Has Anyone seen Dr Fred Burton in PA?????

2007-01-19 14:24:47

Hello All,
I haven't posted here in a long time. I have MCTD and have been on AP
for 10 mon. I'm taking 150mino 5xweek and 600 clindy 2x a week, also
take diclucan (liver tested monthly). I live in PA, but see Dr
Whitman in NJ. I feel that he has done very well with my AP and I
like him. While I seem to be 'holding my own', I feel as though it
may take some tweaking and looking at things I haven't addressed to
hopefully reach remission. Or who knows, maybe just more time.
However I'm now interested in trying bioidentical hormones and have
concerns about adrenal issues too. I understand Dr Fred Burton uses
AP and also works with the hormones from his website. I live about
10 minutes from his office.
Has anyone here seen Dr Burton? I would like to know if anyone has
had experience with him. I have called his office and asked the girl
some questions, but she was unable to answer me. She said she would
have Dr Burton call me, however he hasn't done that.
I have talked to a local compounding pharmacist who does the hormone
saliva testing and works with an obgyn who will perscribe the
bioidentical hormones so I can do it that way and just go on using Dr
Whitman. So I'm in a quandry.
One of the things that concerns me with Dr Burton's website is that
he talks about lots of alternative things, which I have great
interest in and respect for, but not the finances. Can't have all my
fillings removed, chelation etc. Just no $$ for all of that. Also
tend to go into overwhelm if toooo many options are thrown at me at
once.
Any input on Dr Burton and also anyone with experience with
bioidential hormones and the adrenal issues would be appreciated.
Thank you, Jane

Paulette and enbrel

2007-01-19 10:58:10

Hi,
I have heard from the doctor I saw, that one of symptoms of enbrel is
MS. However they said it only "unmasks" the disease if one would have
it anyway. . . . . I decided to keep my mask on and go with AP ew

OT: O24 website

2007-01-19 06:22:20

About a month ago, I posted about an anti-inflammatory herbal spray, called 024.
It is very helpful in dealing with pain and inflammation in joints and muscles.
I'm currently using it again because I am in a flare and am having difficulty
finding a new NSAID I can tolerate now that Relafen is not longer available. I
just found the web site again if anyone is interested in reading about it. It
is
http://www.024zone.com/
Linda

Pain in Calf Muscles

2007-01-18 19:43:37

Serina,
I did a brief www.google.com search on "pain in calf muscles"
(without quotation marks) and came up with the page
http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/sym/muscle_pain.htm. From there you can
follow links to polymyalgia rheumatica (PMR) and other diseases. Your
email indicates that you are 35 years old, and PMR mostly affects
people over 50. So PMR is a long shot. The search also brought up
many other pages, such as
http://www.mothernature.com/Library/Bookshelf/Books/16/36.cfm
Sincerely, Harald

Bioflow Magnotherapy Bracelets Relieve Pain in Osteoarthritis of the Hip and Kne

2007-01-18 11:16:28

Bioflow Magnotherapy Bracelets Relieve Pain in Osteoarthritis of the
Hip and Knee Says Independent, Peer Reviewed Clinical Trial
The British Medical Journal published the results of a two year
clinical trial into the use of magnets for pain relief. Ecoflow's
unique Bioflow Central Reverse Polarity magnets were the only ones
used for the independent, peer reviewed clinical trial which was
funded by the Arthritis Research Campaign and carried out by
researchers from the South West's Peninsula Medical School.
Bioflow was chosen for use in the trial because doctors in the
research group had received patient reports of pain relief from
wearing Bioflow. All patients participating in the trial suffered
pain from osteoarthritis of the hip and knee.
The findings represented an important step forward for Bioflow
magnotherapy because all previous evidence for pain relief had been
anecdotal.
It should be noted that it is the patented Central Reverse Polarity
technology that sets Bioflow apart from traditional static magnet
therapy.
For more information email info@...
You can protect yourself against electromagnetic radiation from
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Heidi's story

2007-01-18 10:43:05

Hi group,
Heidi's story has been on our web page for many years. Heidi has now
sent an update which I have just put on rheumatic.org - I thought you
all might like to read Heidi's whole story.
Chris.

Anyone on this site have AS ?

2007-01-17 23:56:45

I was wondering if anyone on this site has AS (Ankylosing Spondylitis)
and has tried the Antibiotic Protocol for it.
Also, do most people trying or on the AP start out with IV antibiotics
first ??
Thanks

"This is earthshaking." Baseman finds out how mycoplasma husts cells with toxins

2007-01-17 18:08:29

"...major breakthrough that could lead to the development of
vaccines, diagnostic tests and therapeutic medications. ..."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Mycoplasma REGISTRY REPORTS
for gulf war syndrome & chronic fatigue syndrome
© Sean Dudley & Leslee Dudley 2006. All rights reserved.

OT - Bible Study Site

2007-01-17 15:26:30

Hi Gang! Geoff here.
Spiritual health is an important part of our physical well being. Some have
requested a site for Biblical studies that encompasses the whole of the
Christian tradition, including Armenian (Coptic) Orthodox, Greek Orthodox,
Russian Orthodox, Roman Catholic and Protestant. There is now such a site
available for free on the Internet at http://www.bible.org/NETbible/, HTH.
IHS
Geoff
Acts 2:39

Henry Scammell's passing

2007-01-17 07:04:46

Henry Scammell's Passing
With profound sadness, we report that on July 29, 2006 Henry Scammell died
unexpectedly of a massive heart attack. Those of us who have benefited from an
antibiotic protocol for rheumatic disease believe that it is not an
understatement to say that we owe our life to Henry Scammell. If we had not
discovered one of his books -- The Road Back, The New Arthritis Breakthrough or
Scleroderma: The Proven Therapy That Can Save Your Life -- we would not have
found the ray of hope that guided us to our renewed health. Henry was unique in
his passion and dedication to righting injustice. He was compelled to write
about a safe and proven treatment that provided tremendous benefit and an
improved quality of life, but had not yet become a part of mainstream medicine.
For many, he has been a hero - one who was courageous, told our stories and
represented our truth in the face of controversy. Countless patients are
grateful to Henry for chronicling the pioneering work of Dr. Thomas McPherson
Brown and for keeping it alive. Henry was a member of the board of directors of
the Road Back Foundation for more than a decade. He was a tireless volunteer
for the Foundation and responded by mail, email or phone to anyone who contacted
him after reading one of his books. The Road Back Foundation will continue as an
active presence to maintain Henry Scammell's legacy and to honor his ground
breaking contributions to the field of antibiotic therapy. Henry's writings, his
stories, his passion and his willingness to listen to and record the
life-changing progress made by patients on antibiotic protocols will not be
forgotten. Our hearts go out to the Scammell family for the loss of this dear,
dear man.

Mass emails

2007-01-17 07:01:33

Dear Rheumatic Group,
Perhaps this has already been addressed, if so, I appologize. I get about
15-20 emails daily that are really personal replies and not meant for the entire
group. I end up deleting most of the rheumatic group emails and it's a bit of a
nuissance.
I am wondering if you all could do personal replies directly to the the person
you are responding to at their email address. I know it's easier to just hit
reply, but then it goes to everyone. I have done the same thing too.
All the best to you wonderful people coping with rheumatic diseases!
Clara
impaulettep <impaulettep@...

Re: Hi Friends - I am new to the group

2007-01-16 20:23:15

Do you think, or have you heard, of Minocin/Minocycline working for
Lupus? This is an antibiotic? They have had me on 2 different
antibiotics for years now for my facial 'rash' and the latest one,
Tetracycline is working but barely.. I can still see it hovering
ready to break out full fledged, it's like Tetracycline isn't strong
enough. I will have to read up on that site you mentioned. The first
antibiotic they had me on for a long time was Cephalexin and it
worked better than Tetracycline. Both of these were prescribed to me
prior to any knowledge of me having Lupus.

Lupus - AP, Metx &amp; Steroids

2007-01-16 13:41:02

Thank you for the lovely welcome back I received when I posted recently, much
appreciated!
For those of you who don't know me I've had Systemic Lupus for over 40 years. I
tried the AP in the late 90's and am now back ready to give it another go.
What I would like your help with therefore is not the basics but some specifics.
I guess if I'm honest with myself I will also need a little reminding on some
basics. NOT I assure you due to memory loss or old age... that's my story and
I'm sticking to it !! :-))
Q.
Is there any reason why I cannot take anti-biotics (Minocycline 100mg) every day
instead of pulsing?
Q..
I am also taking Methotrexate and steroids and would like to hear from those of
you who have also had this cocktail and done the AP. I'd be very interested to
hear about your experiences.Is there any reason why one cannot just stop taking
the Metx.?
Please feel free to e-mail me directly.
Thank you !
Huggles,
Lisbeth

Fwd: Help!?! Please?

2007-01-16 09:14:35

Hi group,
I will help Julie subscribe to the group - perhaps some of you could
talk to her and encourage her.
Thanks, Chris.
Begin forwarded message:

Prescrip. Drug Help

2007-01-16 03:17:17

Hi! This article gave some good info and contact information for
prescription drug help. ~P.J.
Saving Money on Prescription Drugs
Ineligible for Medicare? State and pharmaceutical assistance programs
can help you find the drug benefits you need
http://www.webmd.com/content/Article/120/113679.htm

Fw: (Off Topic) The latest power grab by the feds

2007-01-15 22:18:46

Please read this FDA article and then sign the petition. Send it to friends and
family. This is only the start. The underlying goal seems to be to remove the
borders between the U.S. Canada and Mexico - period.
Ethel

AS

2007-01-15 17:39:31

I would like info on AS. I met a man yesterday who suffers from this.
I would appreciate your knowledge on this disease.
Thanks, Susie

pregnancy and AP

2007-01-15 09:21:24

I'm sure this has been asked before, but I'm not sure about it. My
husband and I would like to try for our second child soon. I have a
couple of questions:
1) I'm currently on an NSAID (Indocin). What should I take for pain
relief while trying to conceive?
2) I know Minocin is a no-no during pregnancy, so should I wait until
after pregnancy/delivery to begin AP or try another antibiotic while
pregnant(I think there is one that is safe during pregnancy)?
Thanks for the info and help!
Beth

Maritza

2007-01-15 08:44:32

Hi, Susie here. I just wanted to welcome my best friend Maritza. She
came to visit me in July and I really enjoyed having her. She is one
fine lady and a very positive person.
I really can't remember how I felt when I started AP years ago. I was
so sick with active scleroderma that I can't remember what symptoms I
had. Maybe it's good that my memory has failed me.
Please help her with your experiences. Maritza has gone through so
much, ie...chemo. Let's give her a big welcome.
Love, Susie

Dear Friends

2007-01-14 22:01:09

I want to thank everyone for the wonderful encouraging words. I have been
feeling very bad. I have been having the chills and I have been sleeping alot.
I guess this is part of the process.
I am so blessed to be able to call my best friend Suzie for support. I do
not know what I would do without her.
I started school last week. I have a really good schedule for this semester.
I attend school 5 days a week and my schedule allows me enough time to rest
during the day. Those naps are very important to me.
I often wish that the doctors who perscribe the meds to me would take the
time to call to see how I am doing.
I am trying to be as strong as I can be through this process. I know that
stress isn't good for Scleroderma patients. I am under alot of stress because I
have to drive to New York City (on Wednesday) which is anywhere from 12-14
hours away to appear in court for child support.
Please keep me in your prayers. I haven't seen my ex-husband in about 9
years. My appearance has drastically changed since I have had Scleroderma. This
is not going to be easy.
God Bless
with gentle thoughts from the beach
Maritza
Myrtle beach, Sc

FibroFix no longer available online.

2007-01-14 13:44:20

The Fibromyalgia, CFS, RLS treatment web site www.FibroFix.com is no longer
available online.
We are not accepting email or phone calls relating to the site.
This is a personal choice.
Thanks,
Anne Hillebrand
Orlando, FL
Fibromyalgia's Medical Maverick

Inexpensive source for minocim

2007-01-14 09:48:11

My health plan no longer covers prescriptions.
I'm getting prices locally of $1,600-$1,800 for 180
tabs of minocin and $160 for generic.
The price difference makes the generic worth a try.
Does anyone have a reputable source (US or Canada) for
minocin at a reasonable price?
Thanks
Paul King

knee replacement surgery

2007-01-14 06:12:42

Hi,
I scheduled knee replacement surgery for August 23. I scheduled to do both
knees at the same time, but I can change it to one. Do anyone have experience
with getting knee replacement and have an opinion on getting them both done at
the same time? The doctor said that it raises the risks and I would probably
need a blood transfusion due to blood loss during surgery.
Any opinions?
Thanks,
Gloria

Info About Codex

2007-01-13 23:44:19

Codex Attack on Vitamins
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:23:21 -0400 (EDT)
http://www.sdadefend.com/Codex%201.htm
URGENT ! URGENT !
Codex Attack on Vitamins
AND MINERALS, HERBS, AND ORGANIC FOODS
Share this information freely!
An international cartel is working with a special EU/WTO subsidiary,
called "Codex," and plans to do the following in our country:
(1) Limit the number of vitamins, minerals, and other nutrients which
you can purchase. (2) Of the few which will be permitted, the dosages
will be so low as to render them useless. (3) You will only be able
to
buy them through a physician's prescription. (4) You will only
purchase them in a drugstore. (5) Only synthetic vitamins will be
available. (6) Only approved drug companies will make them. (7) You
will pay very high prices for each tablet. (8) It will become a crime
to use any nutrients-even the permitted ones-in the treatment of any
infirmity or disease. No one, including physicians, will be able to
use them to "prevent, treat, or cure any condition or disease." An
immense German, U.S., and British drug cartel is behind this.
In addition, Codex is also working with some other groups: (1) The
chemical industry plans to require that all animals be treated with
antibiotics and hormones. (2) The largest seed company in the world
intends that only genetically modified crops be planted by farmers.
(3) The nuclear industry plans that all food plants and livestock be
irradiated. (4) Truly "organic" foods will end.
Are you interested? Read on. A large amount of information is here.
Because this is so important, the following report is lengthy. If you
do not have time to read it in detail, just scan the highlights, and
pause to read what interests you. Hopefully, the facts will frighten
you enough that you will want to immediately contact Congress and
tell them whether you want Codex in America.
If you do not, you will be sorry later.
1 - BACKGROUND AND HISTORY
Introduction-Vitamin, mineral, and herbal supplements, along with
whole herbs, are invaluable aids in the maintenance of health and the
recovery from sickness. The drug industry has long recognized this
fact, and wants nutritional supplements and herbs either forbidden or
priced out of reach. When those valuable helps are no longer
available
in our chemically contaminated world, people become sicker and are
willing to pay for more drugs, hospital visits, and operations.
In Europe, the drug cartel has succeeded in enacting Codex
Alimentarius, which will accomplish that objective on the European
continent very soon. Adopted in a secret meeting in the EU (European
Union) in November 2004, it is scheduled to be finally voted on in
June 2005, with a full European ban taking effect on August 1.
Because the U.S. belongs to the World Trade Organization (WTO), any
changes approved in Europe are supposed to automatically become law
in
America, superseding our own laws. (Some believe we are no longer a
sovereign nation.)
Failure to comply with these changes can lead to lawsuits which
cannot
be won, because they are settled in international courts which are
based in Europe.
These are stunning facts which you unlikely to read in the regular
media, because they receive a major part of $4 billion a year in
advertising.
Codex Alimentarius-"Codex Alimentarius" refers to a set of strict
regulations covering all aspects of food. "Codex Alimentarius" is
Latin for "Food Rules" or Food Regulations. This collection of food
rules in Europe dates back to food standards enacted, between 1897
and
1911, by the Austro-Hungarian Empire. They were used as a legal
reference by the courts as a standard, although the Codex
Alimentarius
itself had no legal standing.
Modern Codex regulations are prepared by the Codex Alimentarius
Commission, which (in this report, we will refer to this as "Codex")
works with the EU and UN in an attempt to regulate every aspect of
food production, packaging, preparation, preservation, and
presentation of food "from farm to fork." Codex also attempts to
regulate supplemental nutrients and herbs. It even effectively
eliminates "organic produce" standards! More on this later. Codex has
more than 16,000 pages of working documents.
Some of the changes Codex will impose-Here are several features of
Codex:
. The plan is to ban all nutrients, except a few which are
high-priced, low-dosage, synthetically made by drug companies, and
only available in drugstores by prescription.
. Codex regulations will be binding internationally. Any nation which
has entered into trade agreements with the EU will eventually be
forced to adopt the Codex or receive heavy trade sanctions until it
does.
. All new types of supplements will be banned, unless Codex provides
testing and approval. This will be certain to be expensive. Such
tests
will also be inadequate. A favorite trick of drug and governmental
authorities is to test such small doses of the supplement, so that it
does not prove of any noticeable value.
. Codex regulations are not based on previous scientific or research
findings. Those regulations were developed by eleven persons,
appointed by the EU with drug cartel approval.
. Many herbs will also be banned.
Plans to extend Codex to U.S. and worldwide-The United Nations' Codex
Alimentarius Commission, assisted by the U.S. Food and Drug
Administration (FDA), views the EU Food Supplements Directive as a
basic pattern which should be followed in developing a global trade
standard for dietary supplements!
FDA "harmonization" standards-The FDA is currently at work, preparing
"directives" for "harmonization" of its dietary supplement laws, so
they will fully agree with the excessively restrictive "international
standard" set by the EU Codex Alimentarius Commission.
Protests are being ignored-On January 29, urgent messages were sent
to
Kofi Anan, head of the UN, to extend the deadline for its acceptance
of Codex standards. But the pleas were disregarded.
Emergency meetings, by groups opposed to enactment of the Codex in
Europe, have been held by concerned groups for several months.
In August 2005, proposed EU legislation is set to ban many of the
leading-edge nutritional supplements people currently take for
granted. U.S. compliance is likely to follow shortly.
Gigantic cartels are gradually gaining control of every key industry.
It is all a sign that we are nearing the end.
What Codex will accomplish-This new regulation will accomplish
several
objectives: (1) It will pour millions of euros (European equivalent
of
dollars) into the large pockets of the drug companies. (2) Lacking
the
vitamins, the maladies of the people will increase and they will need
more drugs. (3) Physicians and hospitals will have more patients to
treat and profit from.
The international drug cartel-A number of years ago, agreements were
quietly entered into by the large drug companies in Germany, America,
and Britain. German drug companies would have their government lead
out in introducing standards heavily restricting the sale of
nutritional supplements, in all nations which enter into trade
agreements with the European Union. Germany was selected as the
nation
to initially push it; since Germans do not tend to use supplements.
Supplemental Guidelines-Work on these Supplement Guidelines was first
proposed by the German delegation to the Codex Nutrition Committee in
1990. For several years, work progressed slowly; but the agenda was
kept alive by the Germans.
At the same time, Germany also introduced the idea of a European Food
Supplements Directive (EFSD). That effort was shelved for some years,
after a first round of consultations showed that the field was much
too difficult and contentious to regulate by directive. A few years
later however-after Codex's work on supplements had progressed-work
restarted on the supplements directive. By that time, both the
governments of Britain and Germany were promoting it. (It is believed
that their government officials had been paid off.) As it happened,
the European Directive was accepted in 2003, two years before the
Codex Guidelines.
In shaping the Codex "consensus" on supplements, its German chairman
(Rolf Grossklaus) and the representative of the European Union (Basil
Mathioudakis) have been more or less openly accused of bending the
rules. Objections by some member nations were ignored or overruled.
Most of those nations were poor and not in a position to complain
very
much, lest they be barred from trade relations with Europe.
The result was a text for the Codex Supplements Guidelines that reads
remarkably similar to the European Food Directive. Unfortunately no
transcripts of those meetings exist. The report prepared by the Codex
Secretariat does not include details of proposals and comments.
Stenographic records of meetings were never released.
Effects of the 1994 U.S. dietary law-In the United States, after the
Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 (DSHEA) was
enacted by Congress, Americans were able to learn the health benefits
of vitamins, minerals, and herbs. Prior to that time, no advertising,
by supplement manufacturers or sellers, was permitted. As a result,
prior to 1994, it was much more difficult for Americans to learn how
nutrients could resist and overcome disease. In addition, under this
law, Americans were able to purchase them in larger dosages.
As more and more Americans learned how beneficial these nutrients
were, by 2002 more nutritional supplements were being sold in the
U.S.
than drug medications!
Why that law was enacted-That 1994 law (DSHEA) was passed because
large numbers of Americans demanded it. Over 2.5 million ordinary
citizens wanted to make sure dietary supplements (such as herbs,
vitamins, minerals and other food-based supplements) would remain on
the over-the-counter market. The movement, to create DSHEA, started
when a 1992 FDA task force published a report announcing the FDA's
desire to remove these products from the shelves; since they
represent
a "disincentive for patented drug research."
Immediately following this announcement, millions of Americans
learned
about how famed vitamin doctor, Jonathan Wright's patient-filled
medical office in the Northwest was raided that same month by nearly
two dozen gun-carrying FDA agents in the name of "regulating
supplements." Battering down an unlocked office door, and backed by
burly sheriff's department deputies, the agents lined up staff and
patients against the wall. They pulled IVs from patients' arms in the
middle of treatments, confiscated patients' records, and took the
hard
drive from the office computer. They did all this because Dr.
Jonathan
Wright was using nutritional supplements to heal very sick people who
could not get help from standard AMA medical care.
As the general public became aware of just how many doctors' offices,
manufacturing companies, distributors, and health-food stores had
been
assaulted by similar raids, the horror of all this forged a mighty
health freedom army that resulted in the unanimous passage of DSHEA.
Provisions of DSHEA-(1) DSHEA made a clear distinction between "food"
(which is considered generally safe and did not need to have
permission from the FDA to be allowed on the market) and "drugs"
(which are invariably toxic, potentially deadly, and in need of
lengthy evaluation before they were available to the public under
prescription from a doctor).
(2) DSHEA provided the FDA with plenty of legal authority to remove
herbs or dietary supplements from the market, providing the agency
has
plenty of real evidence of real harm to the public. The FDA also has
the authority to limit the amount of a supplement to low levels if
the
agency has plenty of real evidence to prove higher levels are
actually
dangerous. But, of course, the FDA has been unable to produce such
evidence.
Drug cartel determined to get rid of DSHEA-A primary objective of
Codex is get rid of that law! Its existence reduces drug sales, keeps
people well, and helps restore them to health without expensive
medical intervention.
The power behind the throne-Actions by the European Union and the
United Nations affect millions of lives. What makes it possible for
drug companies to have so much influence at the EU and UN? The answer
is rather simple: It is well-known that drug companies make excessive
profits by overcharging on medicinal drugs. They claim that the
profits are needed for research into new drugs. Yet that research
only
requires paying the salaries of a number of technicians working in
laboratories.
It is well-known that most of the profits are used for advertising
and
similar projects which will increase sales.
It is the opinion of the present writer that one of those projects is
large political contributions to the White House, Congress, as well
as
immense bribes to EU and UN officials.
Another project is paying immense amounts in advertising dollars to
the various news media in drug ads-and then threatening to stop the
lucrative advertising if they tell the public what Codex is about to
do. Now you can understand why the newspapers, newsmagazines, and
news
broadcasts do not say a word about the nutritional crisis about to
break over our heads.
In 2004, pharmaceutical companies spent over 4 billion dollars on
direct consumer advertising. This includes media advertising. In
addition, that same year, $785 million was spent on Congressional
lobbying.
A joint venture-Codex is a joint venture between the United Nation's
World Health Organization, Food and Agriculture Organization
(WHO/FAO), the European Union (EU), and the World Trade Organization
(WTO).
The World Trade Organization (WTO) has already stated that, as soon
as
it is approved (which will occur this summer), it will enforce Codex
"guidelines" as the world standard for trade in dietary supplements.
This will mean that gradually, pill-by-pill, our access to the
dietary
supplements we depend on will disappear.
Both the UN and the WHO are mandated to protect the health and
welfare
of the world's population; but they obviously shirked on this
responsibility, when the Codex decisions were made.
U.S. Codex Office-The U.S. Codex Office is a department in the U.S.
Department of Agriculture (USDA), which works closely with Codex in
Europe. If you go to its website, you will be told this:
"The Codex Alimentarius Commission was created in 1963 by FAO and WHO
to develop food standards, guidelines and related texts such as codes
of practice under the Joint FAO/WHO Food Standards Programme. The
main
purposes of this Programme are protecting health of the consumers and
ensuring fair trade practices in the food trade, and promoting
coordination of all food standards work undertaken by international
governmental and non-governmental organizations."
Earlier Congressional bills-In addition to its cooperation with the
German and British drug industry in Codex, the drug industry in
America has been hard at work on introducing legislation to greatly
restrict vitamins, minerals, and herbs.
In 2003, bills were introduced in Congress which, if enacted, would
regulate certain supplements in the U.S. Though the bills died when
the 108th Congress ended in December, new versions are thought to be
ready for introduction in March or April of this year (2005).
One of those bills would have granted the Food and Drug
Administration
authority to regulate supplements in the same way that it regulates
over-the-counter drugs.
The bills would have weaken DSHEA, which gave consumers who use
supplements definite protections against government regulations.
(But, if you want to contact your congressman or senator about the
bills, you must give the number of the new 2005 bills. Apparently,
they have not been introduced yet. With Codex looming on the horizon,
perhaps the drug companies will not bother to introduce them.)
The power in Codex-Here is why Codex can overrule our U.S. dietary
laws:
The United States Federal Register, Oct. 11, 1995, FDA Policy on
Standards stated that "where a relevant international standard
exists,
or completion is imminent, it will generally be used in preference to
a domestic standard."
If this is still the FDA policy, as soon as the Codex Guidelines take
effect in Europe in August, the FDA will immediately try to enforce
Codex here in America.
The problem is that we entered, by treaty, into the World Trade
Organization (WTO). The U.S. Constitution states that U.S. treaties
take precedence over U.S. laws.
There is already activity on Capital Hill to prepare "harmonization"
rules, which will lock America into obedience to Codex dietary
regulations.
An interconnected, international web of control-Codex Alimentarius is
the result of a complex relationship between the United Nations, the
World Trade Organization (which has been authorized to enforce Codex
Alimentarius through trade sanctions), the World Health Organization
(which is actively creating Codex Alimentarius regulations), and our
American Food and Drug Administration. These are working closely with
industry representatives of the pesticide, chemical, pharmaceutical,
dairy, and biotechnology industries.
The origin of Codex-The United Nations established the Codex
Alimentarius Commission in 1963, to ensure clean, abundant food for
the planet and remove all barriers to international trade of that
food. At that time, the World Health Assembly approved the
establishment of the Joint FAO/WHO Program on Food Standards, to
promulgate standards for ratification by the Codex Alimentarius
Commission.
First discussed in 1988-The idea of controlling dietary supplements
was first openly discussed at the 1988 session of an EU-based Codex
committee, the Codex Committee on Nutrition and Foods for Special
Dietary Uses (CCNFSDU). Through the following years, the EU
representative to that committee kept presenting the developing Food
Supplements Directive ideas as core elements of the Codex Guidlines.
The EU representative emphasized the fact that he was speaking on
behalf of 15 nations. This large EU block of "votes" in the CCNFSDU
and other Codex sessions helped him get what he wanted.
While this was unfolding, the U.S. initially protested the regulation
of dietary supplements, but gradually its opposition faded away. The
FDA-led U.S. delegation kept compromising-until finally it totally
yielded to the plan to essentially eliminate vitamins and herbs.
Throughout all those years, continuing up to the present time, the
chairman of that Codex Commission (currently Rolf Grossklaus, M.D.)
has always been a German.
Inside official Codex meetings-Health focused consumers, health
scientists, physicians, others practicing natural medicine, and other
health-focused voices have been absent either physically or
functionally from official Codex Alimentarius deliberations.
Unofficial observers may not speak during the sessions.
Members of delegations may not discuss standards and Codex-related
business with members of other delegations! A small number of trade
organizations have participated in Codex Alimentarius committees and
the Codex Alimentarius Commission; but their views have often
differed
sharply from those of health-focused professionals and consumers.
Of course, the real work of such a complex regulatory structure takes
place outside of official sessions. And no health advocates have had
access to those secret meetings, agreements, and sessions.
How Codex committees operate-The Codex Alimentarius standards are
being promulgated by the Codex Alimentarius Commission, which was
established as a Trade Commission in 1963 by the United Nations (UN).
They concern every area having to do with the production, processing,
packaging and use of food, herbs, supplements, and food components.
There are about 20 Codex Alimentarius Committees. They prepare and
develop guidelines on every aspect of food and present those
guidelines to the Codex Alimentarius Commission for ratification, as
soon as those guidelines have reached "Step 8" of the guideline
development process.
Committees and the Commission operate through poorly defined
"consensus"; so actions of those bodies may not represent the will of
the delegates or even of the countries they represent. The decision
process is not a democratic one.
There have been instances in which delegates have been bodily removed
by security guards at the request of the chairman, if they persisted
in seeking discussion after the chairman has declared a matter
closed!
The various governments tolerate this, in the hope that the resulting
standards will increase profitable trade between the nations.
Trade organizations with strong publicly documented ties to the
pharmaceutical, chemical, and agricultural industries have a very
influential voice at these meetings.
There has been no effective representation from health advocates,
nutritional supplement manufacturers, natural health-care
professionals, or other non-pharmaceutically oriented group at the
Codex Alimentarius Commission meetings. The Commission meets every
two
years, always offshore (Rome, Bonn, Paris, etc.), and never in the
United States.
The U.S. representatives to the Commission have well-documented,
unwholesome connections to the very industries that stand to profit
and benefit from the wholesale implementation of the Codex standards.
Consumers have virtually no say at all; and consumers are the ones
who
are going to be affected by all the decisions that the Codex
Alimentarius Commission makes.
The governments of both India and South Africa have repeatedly
expressed their dissatisfaction with the foolish nutritional theories
of Codex and the restriction of nutrients and herbs. But they have
been regularly overrun, during meetings, by "consensus" tactics which
do not allow full discussion or debate on these crucial issues.
Standards on everything-Codex sets international standards for
everything from parmesan cheese to sweet cassava, canned sardines to
chicken meat, echinacea to rice. Each standard is ratified after
reaching "Step 8" in Committee.
The U.S. signed the GATT, SPS, and TBT-The United States is now
locked
in, because of certain treaties it earlier signed to join GATT
(General Agreement on Trade and Teriffs). More recently, the
Agreement
on the Application of Sanitary and Phytosanitary Measures (SPS) and
the Agreement on Technical Barriers to Trade (TBT) were approved in
Europe. They are subsections of GATT. These are all international
treaty agreements.
As of July 1, 2005, the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA)
is working its way through Congress; it has just been approved by a
House panel and the Senate Finance Committee (June 29). There are
nations in Central or South America which could use the SPS and TBT
provisions in CAFTA to pressure the U.S. to harmonize with the Codex
Guidelines.
When Codex became mandatory-Codex standards and guidelines were
voluntary; that is, each nation could obey or disobey them. But that
changed when the various nations signed new treaties at the Uruguay
Round of GATT; at which time the WTO [World Trade Organization] came
into existence. Because of what we signed at Uruguay, we are required
to obey the WTO.
The WTO has enforcement power through a new international court, the
Dispute Settlement Body, which does not follow our rules of evidence.
WTO placed corporations over nations-The WTO has put the mechanisms
in
place to override any national law that interferes with multinational
corporate profits. That is why Congressman Ron Paul tried to remove
us
from the WTO in 2000 via House Joint Resolution 90. But Congress
failed to enact it.
The NGOs-Many people, from all over the world, protested at the
non-governmental organization (NGO) meetings in Seattle, in 1999, and
Quebec City in 2001. They were already suffering from the dietary,
ecological, trade, fisheries, and other problems imposed through UN
trade agreements, which left them the poorer. The "NGOs" are the big
business cartels.
Codex is based neither on science nor democracy. Unelected government
officials, working in cooperation with industry and trade interests,
make decisions which become domestic and international standards,
when
enacted as law by the member states of the WTO.
When the WTO was created, the original purpose of Codex (to provide
clean food for the planet with no international barriers to the
movement of that food) was replaced by the interests of major
corporations-who had the money to pay off uncertain officials.
The U.S. has already had to yield to WTO-Several WTO rulings have
gone
against U.S. law, forcing Congress to change our law under threat of
cross-sector trade sanctions against broad sectors of our economy.
The
most recent and publicized of these was the situation regarding our
steel industry and tariffs. If they can force the U.S. to change
policy over such a vital national interest as our steel industry, the
dietary and herbal supplement industry will be easy to eliminate.
Every UN member nation involved-When the Codex rules for dietary
supplements become binding, the escape clause within GATT that
permits
a nation to set its own standards-will be overruled. This will apply
to all member countries of the UN. Any nation that does not accept
and
apply these new standards will be heavily fined by the World Trade
Organization, creating the potential for crippling entire sectors of
that nation's economy.
The primary targets were Europe, the United States, Canada,
Australia,
and New Zealand-which are the largest purchasers of drugs. (As of
this
writing, July 2005, all of the above-named nations have submitted to
Codex, except the U.S.)
The Codex ban on nutrients will ultimately include every UN member
nation. But, instead of calling it a "ban," the Codex Commission
calls
it a "positive list" of nutritional directives. ("Positive" means a
few very low-dosage vitamins and herbs are included, and everything
else is banned.)
The July 4-9, 2005, meeting-The new Codex Alimentarius, adopted in a
secret meeting in Europe in November 2004, is scheduled to be voted
on
at a meeting to be held July 4-9, 2005, in Rome. If approved, the ban
on nutrients will begin in Europe on August 1, 2005.
At that time, there will be final approval of new worldwide vitamin
guidelines that are expected to restrict availability of
nutrient-containing supplements to consumers the world over. The text
of the guidelines was finalized last November in Germany, by the
Codex
Committee on Nutrition and Foods for Special Dietary Uses.
These types of international regulations are elaborated without
public
input and even without the consent of national parliaments of the
participating countries.
Each country entrusts its vote to one person which will eventually
determine national laws as well, the head of the national Codex
delegation. And Codex delegations are typically headed by relatively
low-level administrative employees of national health ministries.
So we are having what amounts to international laws being developed
over the heads of and without input from national legislative
authorities, let alone the public that will face the consequences.
Democratic procedure has been officially abolished in the name of
globalizing the economy and "removing barriers to trade.
Theoretically, because the United States belongs to the World Trade
Organization (WTO), any changes approved in Europe automatically
become law in the United States, superseding our own laws; because,
as
mentioned earlier, treaties entered into by the U.S. take precedence
over applicable U.S. laws. As you can see, we are no longer a
sovereign nation. But there can be delays, as will be discussed
later.
"Harmonization"-or else. Before final ratification of the Vitamin and
Mineral Guidelines occurs in Rome on July 4-9, 2005, "harmonization"
by the U.S. is "voluntary"; but it can be enforced by WTO trade
sanctions. After ratification, compliance with Codex will be
mandatory; and enforcement by WTO trade sanctions is a powerful
threat
on its own to make sure that it is complied with properly. If that
were not bad enough, the SPSA requires domestic compliance with
ratified standards. That means that the U.S. will have to bring its
laws and standards down to those of Codex and keep them there!
Said to be impossible to fight the ban-If the U.S. fails to comply
with these changes, the WTO will initiate lawsuits against our
government. Our attorneys will not be able to win those cases in
court-because they are settled in an international court in Europe
which cares nothing about U.S. laws.
The only other alternative is for the U.S. to withdraw from the World
Trade Organization-and it fears to do that.
Coalition against Codex-A meeting of a group opposed to Codex (the
American Association for Health Freedom) met in Washington on April
22-23, 2005, in order to lay plans for keeping America from
submitting
to the ban. But whether this coalition of several dozen organizations
will accomplish anything is not known at this time.
Official AMA position-The American Medical Association (AMA) and
World
Medical Association (WMA) have gone on record as not favoring the
Codex ban. But whether or not that is a sincere position is not
clear.
There is no doubt that neither organization has done much, if
anything, to openly oppose Codex in the halls of Congress or in
Europe.
Why the July meeting is necessary-Paul Lasok, QC, an attorney that is
one of the world's leading experts on European Union law, presented
the case for preserving consumers' freedom of access to dietary
supplements. On January 25, 2005, in the European Court of Justice in
Luxembourg, Lasok argued on behalf of the UK-based Alliance for
Natural Health.
At issue was the so-called "positive list" of nutrient ingredients,
in
the Food Supplements Directive, which would be permitted to be
included in the manufacture of dietary supplements. That "list" had
excluded nearly all vitamins and herbs!
In June, the court issued a verdict favorable to Codex, permitting
the
"Positive List" to eliminate 75 percent of the forms of vitamins and
minerals currently used in the EU market.
The Codex Commission had to await the outcome of that lawsuit in the
Court of Justice, before it could grant final approval to the Food
Supplements Directive at the July 4-9 meeting in Rome.
U.S. leaning toward approval-On June 9, 2005, the U.S. Codex Office
held a public meeting to discuss agenda items coming before the July
Codex Alimentarius Commission in Rome. Informal inquiries indicated
that the preliminary U.S. position on the Guidelines was to support
finalization.
Just issued-At the end of June, the U.S. Delegation to Codex issued a
formally written statement to the Codex Alimentarius Commission, that
the United States, during the July 4-9, 2005, meeting in Rome, will
support compulsory Codex rules created by this international
organization which directly overrule U.S. law regarding access to
vitamins. That does not mean automatic acceptance by the U.S. Senate
or Congress, but it is not far from it.
We have a controlled (or paid off) press-This Codex crisis is the
clearest proof the present writer has ever seen that it is true that
we have a "controlled press" in America! There is absolutely no
mention of the fact that America is hurtling toward the total loss of
vitamin and herbal supplementation in ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, BBC, or the
newspapers and newsmagazines! They are silenced by their desire to
not
offend the drug companies which provide them with millions of dollars
in drug ads.
Harm in harmonization-Through the process, called "harmonization,"
our
nation, our legislators in Washington will be required to bring
America into submission to Codex requirements-regulating
international
trade, distribution, and processing of food, herbs, and nutrients.
Those proposed standards will be extremely detrimental to the
environment, your health freedom, your health and your access to
clean
and unadulterated food.
Congress or Senate-It is not clear whether the entire Congress has to
approve this "harmonization" or if only the Senate will do that.
Because Codex is under the World Trade Organization (WTO) and the
GATT
agreement, Codex is actually part of our WTO and GATT agreements. The
U.S. Constitution requires that only the Senate enter into treaties
with foreign powers. But the WTO is a trade agreement, not a treaty.
At the present time, CAFTA, a trade agreement with Central America,
is
working its way through both houses of Congress.
Phase-in period-Once Codex is adopted by a nation via "harmonization"
(forced acceptance) or through the effects of the SPSA, there is a
"phase-in period" during which the administrative structure of
implementation is established according to a strict timetable.
Can this Codex attack be stopped?-There is no certainty about this.
An
English lawyer, named Anderson, considered to be a very capable
attorney in that nation, has agreed to fight the Codex in court
because he thinks he can win.
You should contact your Congressmen and Senators, and tell them how
you think they should vote. It is imperative that concerned natural
health consumers (and their patients, friends, relatives, suppliers,
people who shop in health-food stores and use clean food and
therapeutic doses of nutritional supplements, etc.) become fully
activated to stop Codex from being enacted in the United States.
Codex based on Napoleonic Code-It is important to note that Codex
Alimentarius operates under the Napoleonic legal code, under which
anything not explicitly permitted is forbidden!
In contrast to the Napoleonic legal code, the U.S. operates under the
Common Law code, under which anything not specifically forbidden is
permitted.
How standards are enforced-Once ratified, a standard can be enforced
in one of two ways:
(1) Domestic compliance is required by the Sanitary and Phytosanitary
Agreement (signed by the United States), in which Article 3 makes
domestic (internal) compliance mandatory with WTO accepted standards
(e.g. Codex Alimentarius).
Countries whose domestic law complies with Codex regulations are held
to be in automatic compliance with Codex Alimentarius for WTO Dispute
Resolution purposes.
(2) International trade sanctions may be applied to countries which,
by means of the World Trade Organization (WTO) Dispute Resolution
process, are found to be in violation of the Codex Alimentarius
Standards.
In the absence of any trade dispute, the WTO can charge a nation with
providing a hidden or overt barrier to trade (i.e. not meeting Codex
regulations) of foodstuffs; thus this would subject them to WTO trade
sanctions anyway.
Also an EU country can file a trade dispute with the WTO against the
U.S. The WTO Dispute Settlement Panel would compare the restrictive
Codex Guidelines against the lenient U.S. pattern.
All this may seem very technical; and it is. Yet its complicated
machinery is being used to bring millions of people under the control
of a few men.
Codex uses WTO Trade Sanctions to override national laws. As
mentioned
earlier, on October 11, 1997, the FDA issued a policy statement in
the
United States Federal Register, which stated that our nation would
accept international standards, whether completed or nearing
completion, in preference to domestic standards.
This laid the ground work for the replacement of our domestic laws
and
standards, by those of Codex; yet our domestic laws and standards are
far higher than those of Codex! Actually, the standards set by Codex
are dangerously low. This is because Codex standards are set by the
various corporations and industries, so they can make more money.
This replacement would take place despite the will of the American
people, as expressed through the laws passed by their elected
representatives to keep their food safe and their supplements
available.
Codex Alimentarius, although lacking the force of law, is a set of
regulations which can be enforced by trade sanctions of the WTO; and
the Sanitary and Phytosanitary Agreement (SPSA) can compel compliance
with its rules in virtually every country of the world-through nation
membership in the WTO.
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Re: Dear Friends

2007-01-13 17:10:08

I pray for all of you that suffer from Scleroderma and all of these
horrible auto-immune diseses. My mother was diagnosed with
Scleroderma 11 1/2 years ago and was told she would not be around in
a few years!! Well, it is over 11 and she is doing better than she
has in the past. She did go on Minocyn as well as Norvasc and did
have somewhat of a reversal of the disease. She mainly had it
externally except for some swallowing problems, but, I believe she
has done so well because of the Minocin. She decided about a year
ago to go off of the minocyline because she was tired of taking it!!
Well, now she has lumps that are painful in her abdomin and her arms.
Has anyone experienced anything like this? I truly feel, especially
after reading alot of your e-mails that Minocin has truly helped her
keep the scleroderma at bay. She questioned whether or not it was
the Minocin or the special vitamins she started taking at that time
(from HSN). I definately can see it has helped so many people and
feel so positive the anti-biotic therapy helped. We lived in Orange
County, California, and I can tell you most of the Doctor's out here
know nothing about this therapy!! We are originally from New York
and I have always felt Doctor's on the east coast are supreme to
those elsewhere. My mother only started taking the Minocin years
ago because my husband heard about it on the news, her Doctor's gave
it to her only because she asked, and, they figured, why not??
There isn't anything else they could have really done for her.
Well, I am so happy for all of you that have had such great
results!!'
May God bless all of you to get better and live wonderful, pain-
free, happy lives...
diane

New Class Of Anti-inflammatory Drugs &amp; COX-2 Cardiovascular Problems

2007-01-13 10:55:28

Source: University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine
Posted: April 15, 2006
Penn Study Suggests New Class Of Anti-inflammatory Drugs That Might
Lessen Chance Of COX-2 Cardiovascular Problems
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/04/060415115521.htm

Lee

2007-01-13 03:44:33

Hi Lee,
I paid around $100 for 30 100 mg non-generic capsules at Walgreens.
If the "herx" effect is an indication the drug is working as we read,
then I felt the herx on both the generic and the non-generic. My
knee, diagnosed with inflammatory arthritis via biopsy, was said to
require all the big nasty drugs, but within 4 months it improved
dramatically after hurting terribly for about 18 months. Although
I'm not a fan of minocin owing to the effects, the members of this
group have inspired me to stay with it until the hands and feet
improve. I really appreciate this encouragement!
ew

Message for Dr. Chiu

2007-01-12 23:12:09

Hi Dr. Chiu,
I remember you used clarithromycin for your rheumatic patients. Can you
tell me what the appropriate dose would be? Someone is enquiring by
private email as she is not tolerating minocycline or doxycycline.
Thanks, Chris.
PS Hope you got plenty of chocolate over Easter :)

Hi, new and don't know where to turn

2007-01-12 15:31:31

I just found this group and hope you all can help. I went through
hurricane Katrina while being pregnant. Never had a symptom in the
world. Then after I had my baby in Sep. I got arthritis pain and
could hardly do much of anything. Finally went to the doc and was
told I had lupus. Then moved again and new rheumy said I have RA
and doesn't think I have lupus. I have inproved some on my own
before starting methotrexate. I don't feel the MTX is doing much of
anything and I just want to cry all the time. I am the mother of 7
and three of my children are under the age of 5. It is so hard to
take care of them and I am scared and depressed a lot. I really
thought I would be getting better by now. I am only 37 and just
can't believe this has happened. Now I am also having symptoms of
Raynauds and just don't know what to do. C
Can any of you offer any hope other than taking meds upon meds upon
meds. Seems like when one med doesn't work they just keep adding
more. I don't want to take all these high risk meds but I dont'
know what to do! Sorry for writing a book but no one seems to
understand why I cry all the time. I am normally a strong person
and have never cried much. Now I am a baby! I just don't
understand.
Thanks for listening,
Katie

Oprah Acknowledges the Chronic Pain of FM!

2007-01-12 13:13:13

Understanding Chronic Pain
By Dr. Margaret Caudill-Slosberg
http://www.oprah.com/health/soh/soh_sept_fibro.jhtml

is it okay to take clarithromycin with lorazepam and clonazepam

2007-01-12 09:00:02

Hi I am new to the group (though I belonged before a long time ago)
and now must switch from minocycline to clarithromycin due to facial
and eye darkening. I just wondered if I can also take the lorazepam
and clonazepam as well. I can't find anything definitive on the web.
Many thanks and so glad to be back.
Sandy

Kidney Issues

2007-01-11 18:16:52

HI everyone, after just posting how much my lungs have improved due to a
combination, I think, of coffee enemas, juicing and of course, the photopheresis
I was a bit shocked to hear that my kidneys are losing about 10% of function
every 5-6 months..My ankles and hands are swollen and my GFR is dropping and has
been for the past 2 years...glad he finally decided to share...WHEN I PUSHED HIM
RE MY NUMBERS.....My local kidney physician, (soon to be NOT as soon as I can
find another) was relatively unconcerned, telling me its "probably the
Scleroderma and when they get tooooo low, then no worries, we can do diaylsis
and/or transplant" Needless to say, those of you that know me, KNOW I am so NOT
going to just sit and follow my kidney decline like my DR is doing...so anyone
have any ideas?
I am on Diovan for BP but diovan is not an ace inhibitor and have changing blood
pressure meds on my list of questions??
Any ideas much appreciated.
Thanks, Debbie

OT: HEALTH: Thyroid Hormone Therapy Appears To Cause Breast Cancer (NEWS, ACTION ALERTS!)

2007-01-11 17:47:35

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OT - Bible Study Site--- Be Careful, please

2007-01-11 07:23:55

I believe this bible is verboten to we Catholics. I do not see an
Imprimatur which an approved Bible must have. Please, do not recommend this
for Catholics if I am correct. There is a world of difference